Hardly, I may not post Jaikus of my own, but I do comment a lot on other people's jaikus like I am doing now :D And there's a whole lot of people who use jaiku as their IM service, which is why I no longer receive IM notifications, I don't want to be flooded in IMs from 6 different conversations
I love Jaiku and I'm not about to give it up so back off!!! There's no telling what I might do ;) I've never been interested in Twitter, I was corralled into Pownce and quickly got out as soon as I could.
I doubt people would say anything else here on Jaiku though :)
I am not about to give up on Jaiku. I use twitter because I can text in my updates, and then have them feed here, Though it is normally a day behind. And there just isnt the community on Pownce yet.
I'm on both Jaiku and Pownce though I prefer Pownce (Gasp! I know) I use Jaiku during the day when I can't get to Pownce at work and both later at home. Jaiku is more mobile, but Pownce has "something" else that I can't put my finger on right this second.
I still have a Pownce account. But my friends are not there. I like the email-like features and the granular distribution of groups you can create. But I like the RSS import capability of Jaiku and all my friends are here.
I'd say Jaiku first (Pownce is ok for sending documents to friends) then Wordpress/Vox second. I haven't used Facebook in awhile, and Digg just sucks now.
Twitter came first, so naturally has the bigger community, but it is Twitter's reputation as the place for tech. gossip that keep is keeping it number 1.
Jaiku'ers need to make a concentrated effort to make Jaiku the place to break news, gossip, stories etc.
@fabsh - I don't mean literally, or personality wise, but think about - why are should so many stories broken on Twitter? Through use of channels Jaiku, naturally has the better infrastructure to manage both 'news' and personal updates. I think it's a feature we should make use of to help grow the community.
Gah, so annoying. Just because Leo and Veronica gave up on Jaiku doesn't mean that everybody does, obviously. :P But of course, because the TWIT Army listens to them, they get it in their heads that Jaiku isn't work sticking around. Totally sucks!
Twitter may be simple, but it's down all the time, and following half of the conversations flying around isn't fun. :P Pownce is an improvement over Twitter regarding the conversation angle, but most of my friends are here. Plus they don't handle conversations quite right; if you reply to someone's thread, subsequent replies don't get piped to your timeline, like how Jaiku works. So it can be very easy to forget to check those threads for follow-ups. It's non-intuitive that way. Plus, I can't believe Pownce doesn't have a mobile-formatted site yet!
I hope Jaiku adds private messaging/channels, and maybe tackles a couple other features that Pownce has.
Twitter is good, and I used to use it quite a lot. But it's really difficult to follow conversations over there. I think that's where there's a slight difference in services - Twitter is for 'soundbites' whereas Jaiku is for proper conversation.
If social networks were like sex, Twitter would be that quickie to satisfy your craving. It gets the job done, but it's only a temporary fix that leaves you wanting more. Pownce is eh. You try it once for the hell of it and you eventually realize it's not that great. Jaiku on the other hand, jaiku's that special someone you want to come home to.
Maybe I'm alone here, but I haven't given up on anyone. I use both Jaiku and Twitter. Mostly because I have a bunch of friends who are die-hard Twitterers and refuse to move. Jaiku definitely has the edge in terms of conversations and channels. For example, when someone @replies me on Twitter I sometimes miss it, whereas in Jaiku, it's easy; just go read the thread.
It's easy enough to post to both services at once. I use a service called Twitku. I also have my Facebook status pulling from Jaiku (seems more reliable than pulling it from Twitter), so I can really update three different services (Jaiku, Twitter, Facebook) in one swell foop.
OK, so I did give up on Pownce, because I really don't see the point, and I don't know anyone there whom I don't already know on Jaiku or Twitter. Want to send a file? Stick it on Box.net or Yousendit and put a link to it in your Jaiku or Twitter posting! :P
Veronica never even tried Jaiku from the looks of it. She just set up an account, pointed it at her RSS feeds, and then vanished. Leo at least posted from time to time, but was again mostly just RSS imports what what I see looking back through his history.
I put them in with the people who start the "does anyone actually post here?" threads periodically because they did the exact same thing: set up their RSS/twitter import and then left and now wonder why no-one comments on any of their auto-imported items.
I haven't given up on Twitter, but like you said, it's mainly because there are people I know on there who won't migrate to Jaiku. And I know some Jaiku peeps who like to "slum it" over there (laugh just kidding, don't flame me!). I haven't given up on Pownce either for the same reason (friends there won't migrate, though I have seen a couple come over). I think once Jaiku updates features to add private messaging, it'll be a lot more appealing to some hold outs.
@CAW: I think a lot of the people who are heavily dependent on Twitter either just like to broadcast a lot of stuff without needing real feedback (as mentioned several times before), or they just have a short attention span and can't be bothered with threaded conversations. :P Veronica posted a few times in the #BuzzOutLoud channel since she used to be on that podcast, but that was it.
I like it when Twitter is used for liveblogging-type updates, like for MacWorld keynotes, or the California fires, or other events where immediate updates are beneficial to those who can't be there in person. Jaiku's been used that way, but as someone pointed out, it seems more tech news is broken on Twitter, unfortunately.
I logged back into my Pownce account after months of inactivity. I'm dburr there too. Friend me, eh?
I used to use Twitter more in the past, because its SMS actually works with my US cell phone. Hopefully now that Google owns Jaiku, they will spiff up the SMS and add (among other things) US cell support.
@hyphn - Nah, Twitter is far more rapid-fire, maybe you just like that sort of thing, and if you have the twitter feed coming into jaiku, all's good :D
Pownce has a lot potential but came into the game late. Plus they don't really seem to want to be ahead of the game with releasing their api a little later. They should have released their api around the time they were giving their invites and when their buzz was still high. Don't think they expected their popularity to drop so much in 2 months. Now it would be interesting to see whether the developers actually bother making pownce apps with the decreasing usage.
Pownce does have the best features I believe but the worst following. I have found that many of the people there haven't logged into Pownce in a long time. A lot of people just tried it out but lost interested after awhile. I have 200+ "friends" on there and only a handful comment and post-- don't think it even reached 30 people. I think it was Techcrunch that reported that there was a 80% decline in the usage of pownce since it started.
The whole thing around Pownce was the buzz with Kevin Rose starting it but he really didn't do much to capitalize on it and move it to the next level. And how long are they planning to keep it invite only? Yet another problem why interest has dropped off. I have 20 invites I can't even give away.
Twitter is viral and the simplicity of it is second to none. Shows you really don't need fancy features or a nice looking site to be successful (like a myspace). If you really look at it, it has an ugly UI, VERY buggy, always down and yet people still use it. It was also in the game first which is a key component of their success and there are lots of apps available for it too. I think its just been that people have used it so much and have so many friends and followers that it would just be tedious to go to another social networking service to start from scratch again. And as @jezlyn said, there are alot of people who are reluctant to start another account or move too. Another thing as well is that the A List bloggers and the who's who of the internet world are on Twitter (and use it extensively) -- interesting to follow their daily twits too.
I notice something about jaiku too and that is there are a lot of people that use it to stream their twitter feeds and hardly log into their account at all. Prime example is Scoble and @ijustine.
I must say that I've been hooked on Twitter but I'm starting to become a little tired of saying something on Twitter and not being able to carry out a decent conversation or discussion as in Jaiku or Pownce. Starting to get a little old in that way -- likened to talking to a wall.
With Twitter, I find that it's becoming nicer to sit and watch spurts of twits than actually participate or text something. I hope Jaiku comes out with direct messaging support and the capability to send files -- that would probably make it as complete a messaging service as it can be compared to the others. Sad to say though that unless Pownce has something else up their sleeves, it won't last very long.
@Romek: I know, Leo made such a big deal about moving over to Jaiku, and gave Jaiku a lot of support, even hosting a Jaiku party with the founders. But now he hardly says a good thing about it (though I admit I've yet to hear the latest TWiT where he kind of disses Jaiku). Now he's never on here. I can kind of understand it because he's a busy guy, but it seems like his loyalties can shift very quickly. For a while he was all about Pownce, but now he isn't on any of these services. I think he said something about pulling back from all the microblogging sites and just concentrating on his personal Leoville blog, making that his central online presence (besides TWiT). That's fine, too. I've not problem with that. It just doesn't sound like he defended Jaiku at all when Veronica was talking about giving up on it, which I do have a problem with. Sure, he doesn't owe Jaiku anything, but just knowing how big a proponent he used to be makes his lack of support that much more disappointing.
Kinda like how he dissed the Zune, a while after saying how good it was and what not....shifting loyalties indeed.....oh Leo, how low thou hast fallen! (feels....weird to diss a person in their own jaiku channel XD )
Well, that's like doing a F/OSS podcast and never even mentioning the word Linux in all his other ones. Or raving about the iPhone and then making a point about buying a Blackberry. Just listen to WW & MBW head-to-head and you could swear there are two distinct Leos. He's always been like that I think. To his defense, I can understand it too. Everybody is entitled to change his opinion. Even three times a day. Give the guy a break!
I think the 'shape' of Jaiku doesn't lend itself to celebrity type folks actively using it. It's more like it's targeted towards regular folks like us, who can engage in two-way conversations.
As much as they'd like to (and I firmly believe that Leo is one who would like to), they simply can't engage in full conversation with the veritable multitudes of people who would like to talk with them. Same applies to the likes of Scoble, etc (although, Scoble works at it, and is mostly successful).
Something like twitter suits celebrity types well - where it's more a broadcast mechanism that allows them to see (and respond to) some replies, but it's considered acceptable to 'miss' some. Or failing that, their own site where they can exercise more control over the conversation, closing threads, etc.
@malach - Indeed, which is what Leoville should be more like :D How hard is it to get some decent hosting and a forum up and running? (slight bit of sarcasm)
@edythemighty - to be honest, I listen to a couple of Leo-based podcasts, and that's about it - I've never really looked at the forum and related stuff.
But hey, just in case he pops in - Leo, if you want a decent geek for some server admin stuff, I'm available! I've even got proven experience in running high volume forums :)
Ah, If we are gonna plug our services....actually never mind >.< I barely have time to post to Jaiku anymore, I can't do forum modding, as much as I love bootin people XD
There's nothing wrong with changing one's mind about a service or a product after you find out there is something you don't like, or just doesn't suit you. I do it all the time. :) It just seems like Leo is kind of quick to agree with the popular viewpoint of his guests, even if I kind of know he may not feel that way (not just about Jaiku, but about a bunch of different topics), because it's makes for a "better" show. Listening to both TWiT and MacBreak Weekly, when I hear Leo argue for/against OS X or Vista, I can tell he's doing it because he's trying to make the conversation more interesting, or he's catering to a certain audience, not necessarily because that's exactly what he thinks. It's probably a technique he's cultivated over years for his mainstream media shows, because that's what the director/producers want. Old habits die hard, I guess.
Ha, this wasn't actually what I was thinking of - I was also the webhost for Warren Ellis's The Engine - on very budget, under-specced hardware, with forum software that didn't scale well. A bit of hacking on the apache installation, and some performance enhancements on the forum SQL and we managed to keep running most of the time :)
Also habits change over time. I know I've uninstalled and reinstalled Jaiku no less than 10 times over the past year, and only now am really actively using it and pulling value from it.
Also, over the past year, my usage habits and needs have changed drastically, so that applications and features that used to be complete dealbreakers for me now matter very little.
I got in a little late on this thread, great reading.
It seems like @malach is right in that the comments do demand the protagonists to spend more time responding in the threads than the quick fire-and-forget style of platforms that don't do commenting.
I also notice I've been having a bit of trouble keeping up with replying to all comments and following conversation on #jaiku and other channels when there's a lot going on at once, like over the past two weeks. But it's like @rcadden says, habits and situations change, and it's great to re-enter the conversation when things are moving at a more human pace again.
I love jaiku, it's my most used app followed by Vox then Facebook. I use Twitku occassionally to keep up with friends on Twitter but I like jaiku best.
I think Jaiku has some far more compelling features than Twitter, and so does Pownce, but I think the perceived lack of interest in Jaiku and Pownce stems both from their drawbacks in openness and steeper learning curves.
From the beginning, it seems like Twitter always had an API and always had third party clients and services hooking into it (Twitterrific, anyone?). Jaiku took way too long to get an API out, and the "we only have a client for this one brand of mobile phone" thing was a big turnoff. SMS support was so-so (did it not even exist for a while?), and there can be confusion for newbies over the whole posting, commenting and channel separations.
Twitter, on the other hand, is just straight posts, and you can do it in a multitude of ways that fit into your lifestyle. Live on IM? Great, there are bots for AIM and jabber. Live on a mobile phone? Super, SMS support's always been there. Prefer to use any number of desktop clients, widgets and other third-party hookins? Take your pic.
Pownce, on the other hand, was really late to the game (just like the now-defunct Yappd), and its lack of API and third-party support at introduction I think might have sapped just about any momentum it could have built, despite its intriguing features.
Naturally though, anyone on any of these services with a decent collection of friends might develop the perception that "everyone" is using it. I hopped on Twitter first because most of the media and journalists I follow were writing about it. Jaiku, as I understand it, was technically first to this "lifestream" service space, but it appears that Twitter gets most of the press spotlight (at least in the US). Twitter has been in the New York Times, Washington Post, LA Times and countless other major and minor newspapers that I've seen, and surprisingly, not just in the tech nerd section.
Truth be told, Jaiku is my favorite service of the three, but I spend most of my time on Twitter primarily due to most of the media and the rest of my friends already on there. I think John Gruber and Scoble put it best when they said that, like many social or community sites, half the battle in this space is the community, not the features. Part of that community aspect is not just the users, but the third parties that get behind the service. Until I and many others find easy clients like Twitterrific for Jaiku (Juhu is decent but really not up to par) and strong SMS and IM support, I think Twitter might remain in the spotlight for some time, at least until Google does something significant with it.
I tried Twitter for a while, but found it incredibly annoying to have my phone filling up with SMS all the time that I had to keep deleting daily. Who needs one more pointless tech maintenance task? I like to keep my SMS for important messages only--I don't want my phone to beep just because Edna fed her cat. Jaiku got me hooked through its fantastic and unobtrusive mobile app, and automatic location presence updating. Most of the time my friends can tell what I'm up to without my ever having to check in. But if I'm bored on a bus I can drop in on the full conversation anytime. So I'm not leaving anytime soon. This "everyone gives up on Jaiku" sounds to me more like Americans give up on Jaiku, which I can understand more since apparently the mobile app isn't as convenient over there. (different phones, data plans, and such?) As for "all my friends are on platform X and will never move", that's a load of crap--all my friends were on Twitter, but they're all on Jaiku now.
I found I use Jaiku more often then pownce since Jaiku load faster and and less clutter UI. and I jump from Jaiku from twitter because of very limited feature set of this micro blog.
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I agree with you. I'd say everyone gives up on Twitter & Pownce....
2 years ago by fabsh
Hardly, I may not post Jaikus of my own, but I do comment a lot on other people's jaikus like I am doing now :D And there's a whole lot of people who use jaiku as their IM service, which is why I no longer receive IM notifications, I don't want to be flooded in IMs from 6 different conversations
2 years ago by edythemighty
I'm mostly active on Jaiky too, I think. It's just a great format.
2 years ago by hypocrisy
I love Jaiku and I'm not about to give it up so back off!!! There's no telling what I might do ;) I've never been interested in Twitter, I was corralled into Pownce and quickly got out as soon as I could.
I doubt people would say anything else here on Jaiku though :)
2 years ago by dantheman
So I "corralled" you, ey? ;)
2 years ago by fabsh
No it was Ross who has since gone off somewhere and disappeared, so I guess in his case he did give up on Jaiku.
2 years ago by dantheman
Hmm.... :|
2 years ago by fabsh
He could have had a heart attack or something so it's not conclusive evidence ;)
2 years ago by dantheman
I hope not!
2 years ago by fabsh
Yes of course I was just making a point :)
2 years ago by dantheman
I am not about to give up on Jaiku. I use twitter because I can text in my updates, and then have them feed here, Though it is normally a day behind. And there just isnt the community on Pownce yet.
2 years ago by CoreyHarris
I'm on both Jaiku and Pownce though I prefer Pownce (Gasp! I know) I use Jaiku during the day when I can't get to Pownce at work and both later at home. Jaiku is more mobile, but Pownce has "something" else that I can't put my finger on right this second.
2 years ago by AndyG
@AndyG Email-like capabilities perhaps?
2 years ago by edythemighty
Not sure. I will admit that if it had a mobile presence like Jaiku and a real API, I'd probably be there a lot more than here
2 years ago by AndyG
I still don't have a "mobile prescence" :( Darn Jaiku and darn twitter for refusing to work with my cellphone!
2 years ago by edythemighty
There's an API for Pownce coming though....in about 2 or 3 months I think
2 years ago by edythemighty
I still have a Pownce account. But my friends are not there. I like the email-like features and the granular distribution of groups you can create. But I like the RSS import capability of Jaiku and all my friends are here.
2 years ago by mjohnson
I've always said that if you could find a good way to combine the two into one viable service, you'd have a killer app
2 years ago by AndyG
So, threads of conversation should be more distinctly separated in Pownce? If that is what you mean, most of us can agree :D
2 years ago by edythemighty
I still use Jaiku, but I am becoming enamored with Twitter's simplicity.
2 years ago by dnecromancerr75
I'd say Jaiku first (Pownce is ok for sending documents to friends) then Wordpress/Vox second. I haven't used Facebook in awhile, and Digg just sucks now.
2 years ago by ZayneHumphrey
Jaiku needs a 'Scoble'!
Twitter came first, so naturally has the bigger community, but it is Twitter's reputation as the place for tech. gossip that keep is keeping it number 1.
Jaiku'ers need to make a concentrated effort to make Jaiku the place to break news, gossip, stories etc.
2 years ago by jonmul
No, we don't need Scoble! definitely not. Thank you very much!
2 years ago by fabsh
That's just given me an idea. I've just created a channel called - #BreakingNewsInTech - help to make it a red hot place to break technology news!
2 years ago by jonmul
@fabsh - I don't mean literally, or personality wise, but think about - why are should so many stories broken on Twitter? Through use of channels Jaiku, naturally has the better infrastructure to manage both 'news' and personal updates. I think it's a feature we should make use of to help grow the community.
2 years ago by jonmul
Gah, so annoying. Just because Leo and Veronica gave up on Jaiku doesn't mean that everybody does, obviously. :P But of course, because the TWIT Army listens to them, they get it in their heads that Jaiku isn't work sticking around. Totally sucks!
Twitter may be simple, but it's down all the time, and following half of the conversations flying around isn't fun. :P Pownce is an improvement over Twitter regarding the conversation angle, but most of my friends are here. Plus they don't handle conversations quite right; if you reply to someone's thread, subsequent replies don't get piped to your timeline, like how Jaiku works. So it can be very easy to forget to check those threads for follow-ups. It's non-intuitive that way. Plus, I can't believe Pownce doesn't have a mobile-formatted site yet!
I hope Jaiku adds private messaging/channels, and maybe tackles a couple other features that Pownce has.
2 years ago by jezlyn
@jezlyn Private messaging is my one big request, too, as I'm sure it is for many other folks.
2 years ago by tndaisy1960
Simply put...Jaiku feels almost like home to me. No other social network has felt that way, and believe me I've tried lots of them! :)
2 years ago by zenith
Exactly my sentiments, zenith!
2 years ago by fabsh
Twitter is good, and I used to use it quite a lot. But it's really difficult to follow conversations over there. I think that's where there's a slight difference in services - Twitter is for 'soundbites' whereas Jaiku is for proper conversation.
2 years ago by zenith
@zenith: that's a good summarization.
2 years ago by jonmul
If social networks were like sex, Twitter would be that quickie to satisfy your craving. It gets the job done, but it's only a temporary fix that leaves you wanting more. Pownce is eh. You try it once for the hell of it and you eventually realize it's not that great. Jaiku on the other hand, jaiku's that special someone you want to come home to.
2 years ago by alexa
So basically, Twitter is the girl on the nightly hotline, Pownce is the ex-girlfriend that keeps on showing up, but Jaiku is a wife?
I know I love my wife..and uh Jaiku too..
2 years ago by ZayneHumphrey
This could spiral out of control very quickly. smirk
2 years ago by jezlyn
Maybe I'm alone here, but I haven't given up on anyone. I use both Jaiku and Twitter. Mostly because I have a bunch of friends who are die-hard Twitterers and refuse to move. Jaiku definitely has the edge in terms of conversations and channels. For example, when someone @replies me on Twitter I sometimes miss it, whereas in Jaiku, it's easy; just go read the thread.
It's easy enough to post to both services at once. I use a service called Twitku. I also have my Facebook status pulling from Jaiku (seems more reliable than pulling it from Twitter), so I can really update three different services (Jaiku, Twitter, Facebook) in one swell foop.
OK, so I did give up on Pownce, because I really don't see the point, and I don't know anyone there whom I don't already know on Jaiku or Twitter. Want to send a file? Stick it on Box.net or Yousendit and put a link to it in your Jaiku or Twitter posting! :P
2 years ago by dburr
Veronica never even tried Jaiku from the looks of it. She just set up an account, pointed it at her RSS feeds, and then vanished. Leo at least posted from time to time, but was again mostly just RSS imports what what I see looking back through his history.
I put them in with the people who start the "does anyone actually post here?" threads periodically because they did the exact same thing: set up their RSS/twitter import and then left and now wonder why no-one comments on any of their auto-imported items.
2 years ago by CAW
I haven't given up on Twitter, but like you said, it's mainly because there are people I know on there who won't migrate to Jaiku. And I know some Jaiku peeps who like to "slum it" over there (laugh just kidding, don't flame me!). I haven't given up on Pownce either for the same reason (friends there won't migrate, though I have seen a couple come over). I think once Jaiku updates features to add private messaging, it'll be a lot more appealing to some hold outs.
2 years ago by jezlyn
@CAW: I think a lot of the people who are heavily dependent on Twitter either just like to broadcast a lot of stuff without needing real feedback (as mentioned several times before), or they just have a short attention span and can't be bothered with threaded conversations. :P Veronica posted a few times in the #BuzzOutLoud channel since she used to be on that podcast, but that was it.
I like it when Twitter is used for liveblogging-type updates, like for MacWorld keynotes, or the California fires, or other events where immediate updates are beneficial to those who can't be there in person. Jaiku's been used that way, but as someone pointed out, it seems more tech news is broken on Twitter, unfortunately.
2 years ago by jezlyn
I logged back into my Pownce account after months of inactivity. I'm dburr there too. Friend me, eh?
I used to use Twitter more in the past, because its SMS actually works with my US cell phone. Hopefully now that Google owns Jaiku, they will spiff up the SMS and add (among other things) US cell support.
2 years ago by dburr
@dburr: I think I've added you.
2 years ago by ZayneHumphrey
@hyphn - Nah, Twitter is far more rapid-fire, maybe you just like that sort of thing, and if you have the twitter feed coming into jaiku, all's good :D
2 years ago by edythemighty
@dburr: I added you, too.
2 years ago by jezlyn
@alexa Nice analogy. :)
2 years ago by mjohnson
Pownce has a lot potential but came into the game late. Plus they don't really seem to want to be ahead of the game with releasing their api a little later. They should have released their api around the time they were giving their invites and when their buzz was still high. Don't think they expected their popularity to drop so much in 2 months. Now it would be interesting to see whether the developers actually bother making pownce apps with the decreasing usage.
Pownce does have the best features I believe but the worst following. I have found that many of the people there haven't logged into Pownce in a long time. A lot of people just tried it out but lost interested after awhile. I have 200+ "friends" on there and only a handful comment and post-- don't think it even reached 30 people. I think it was Techcrunch that reported that there was a 80% decline in the usage of pownce since it started.
The whole thing around Pownce was the buzz with Kevin Rose starting it but he really didn't do much to capitalize on it and move it to the next level. And how long are they planning to keep it invite only? Yet another problem why interest has dropped off. I have 20 invites I can't even give away.
Twitter is viral and the simplicity of it is second to none. Shows you really don't need fancy features or a nice looking site to be successful (like a myspace). If you really look at it, it has an ugly UI, VERY buggy, always down and yet people still use it. It was also in the game first which is a key component of their success and there are lots of apps available for it too. I think its just been that people have used it so much and have so many friends and followers that it would just be tedious to go to another social networking service to start from scratch again. And as @jezlyn said, there are alot of people who are reluctant to start another account or move too. Another thing as well is that the A List bloggers and the who's who of the internet world are on Twitter (and use it extensively) -- interesting to follow their daily twits too.
I notice something about jaiku too and that is there are a lot of people that use it to stream their twitter feeds and hardly log into their account at all. Prime example is Scoble and @ijustine.
I must say that I've been hooked on Twitter but I'm starting to become a little tired of saying something on Twitter and not being able to carry out a decent conversation or discussion as in Jaiku or Pownce. Starting to get a little old in that way -- likened to talking to a wall.
With Twitter, I find that it's becoming nicer to sit and watch spurts of twits than actually participate or text something. I hope Jaiku comes out with direct messaging support and the capability to send files -- that would probably make it as complete a messaging service as it can be compared to the others. Sad to say though that unless Pownce has something else up their sleeves, it won't last very long.
2 years ago by thefoo
@Romek: I know, Leo made such a big deal about moving over to Jaiku, and gave Jaiku a lot of support, even hosting a Jaiku party with the founders. But now he hardly says a good thing about it (though I admit I've yet to hear the latest TWiT where he kind of disses Jaiku). Now he's never on here. I can kind of understand it because he's a busy guy, but it seems like his loyalties can shift very quickly. For a while he was all about Pownce, but now he isn't on any of these services. I think he said something about pulling back from all the microblogging sites and just concentrating on his personal Leoville blog, making that his central online presence (besides TWiT). That's fine, too. I've not problem with that. It just doesn't sound like he defended Jaiku at all when Veronica was talking about giving up on it, which I do have a problem with. Sure, he doesn't owe Jaiku anything, but just knowing how big a proponent he used to be makes his lack of support that much more disappointing.
2 years ago by jezlyn
Kinda like how he dissed the Zune, a while after saying how good it was and what not....shifting loyalties indeed.....oh Leo, how low thou hast fallen! (feels....weird to diss a person in their own jaiku channel XD )
2 years ago by edythemighty
Well, that's like doing a F/OSS podcast and never even mentioning the word Linux in all his other ones. Or raving about the iPhone and then making a point about buying a Blackberry. Just listen to WW & MBW head-to-head and you could swear there are two distinct Leos. He's always been like that I think. To his defense, I can understand it too. Everybody is entitled to change his opinion. Even three times a day. Give the guy a break!
2 years ago by fabsh
I think the 'shape' of Jaiku doesn't lend itself to celebrity type folks actively using it. It's more like it's targeted towards regular folks like us, who can engage in two-way conversations.
As much as they'd like to (and I firmly believe that Leo is one who would like to), they simply can't engage in full conversation with the veritable multitudes of people who would like to talk with them. Same applies to the likes of Scoble, etc (although, Scoble works at it, and is mostly successful).
Something like twitter suits celebrity types well - where it's more a broadcast mechanism that allows them to see (and respond to) some replies, but it's considered acceptable to 'miss' some. Or failing that, their own site where they can exercise more control over the conversation, closing threads, etc.
2 years ago by malach
@malach - Indeed, which is what Leoville should be more like :D How hard is it to get some decent hosting and a forum up and running? (slight bit of sarcasm)
2 years ago by edythemighty
@edythemighty - to be honest, I listen to a couple of Leo-based podcasts, and that's about it - I've never really looked at the forum and related stuff.
But hey, just in case he pops in - Leo, if you want a decent geek for some server admin stuff, I'm available! I've even got proven experience in running high volume forums :)
2 years ago by malach
Ah, If we are gonna plug our services....actually never mind >.< I barely have time to post to Jaiku anymore, I can't do forum modding, as much as I love bootin people XD
2 years ago by edythemighty
There's nothing wrong with changing one's mind about a service or a product after you find out there is something you don't like, or just doesn't suit you. I do it all the time. :) It just seems like Leo is kind of quick to agree with the popular viewpoint of his guests, even if I kind of know he may not feel that way (not just about Jaiku, but about a bunch of different topics), because it's makes for a "better" show. Listening to both TWiT and MacBreak Weekly, when I hear Leo argue for/against OS X or Vista, I can tell he's doing it because he's trying to make the conversation more interesting, or he's catering to a certain audience, not necessarily because that's exactly what he thinks. It's probably a technique he's cultivated over years for his mainstream media shows, because that's what the director/producers want. Old habits die hard, I guess.
2 years ago by jezlyn
Doh, it seems that @fabsh has addressed some of the points I mentioned in my reply. I need to type quicker. :)
2 years ago by jezlyn
;)
2 years ago by fabsh
nothing beats @malach's and temu's ability to admin hi load servers, as jaiku's, when google announced that they bought jaiku. lol
2 years ago by BUGabundo
Ha, this wasn't actually what I was thinking of - I was also the webhost for Warren Ellis's The Engine - on very budget, under-specced hardware, with forum software that didn't scale well. A bit of hacking on the apache installation, and some performance enhancements on the forum SQL and we managed to keep running most of the time :)
2 years ago by malach
2 years ago by dharmapunk
Also habits change over time. I know I've uninstalled and reinstalled Jaiku no less than 10 times over the past year, and only now am really actively using it and pulling value from it. Also, over the past year, my usage habits and needs have changed drastically, so that applications and features that used to be complete dealbreakers for me now matter very little.
2 years ago by rcadden
Twitter is more of a party..and faster paced...Jaiku is slow paced and some dont like to wait...
2 years ago by meonjaiku
is how i feel right about now in rankning similar sites. ive tried out all 3 now and jaiku is definately the best in my book.
2 years ago by bmc
im going to have to go listen to 120 right now
2 years ago by bmc
I got in a little late on this thread, great reading.
It seems like @malach is right in that the comments do demand the protagonists to spend more time responding in the threads than the quick fire-and-forget style of platforms that don't do commenting.
I also notice I've been having a bit of trouble keeping up with replying to all comments and following conversation on #jaiku and other channels when there's a lot going on at once, like over the past two weeks. But it's like @rcadden says, habits and situations change, and it's great to re-enter the conversation when things are moving at a more human pace again.
2 years ago by jyri
I love jaiku, it's my most used app followed by Vox then Facebook. I use Twitku occassionally to keep up with friends on Twitter but I like jaiku best.
2 years ago by Philhellene
I think Jaiku has some far more compelling features than Twitter, and so does Pownce, but I think the perceived lack of interest in Jaiku and Pownce stems both from their drawbacks in openness and steeper learning curves.
From the beginning, it seems like Twitter always had an API and always had third party clients and services hooking into it (Twitterrific, anyone?). Jaiku took way too long to get an API out, and the "we only have a client for this one brand of mobile phone" thing was a big turnoff. SMS support was so-so (did it not even exist for a while?), and there can be confusion for newbies over the whole posting, commenting and channel separations.
Twitter, on the other hand, is just straight posts, and you can do it in a multitude of ways that fit into your lifestyle. Live on IM? Great, there are bots for AIM and jabber. Live on a mobile phone? Super, SMS support's always been there. Prefer to use any number of desktop clients, widgets and other third-party hookins? Take your pic.
Pownce, on the other hand, was really late to the game (just like the now-defunct Yappd), and its lack of API and third-party support at introduction I think might have sapped just about any momentum it could have built, despite its intriguing features.
Naturally though, anyone on any of these services with a decent collection of friends might develop the perception that "everyone" is using it. I hopped on Twitter first because most of the media and journalists I follow were writing about it. Jaiku, as I understand it, was technically first to this "lifestream" service space, but it appears that Twitter gets most of the press spotlight (at least in the US). Twitter has been in the New York Times, Washington Post, LA Times and countless other major and minor newspapers that I've seen, and surprisingly, not just in the tech nerd section.
Truth be told, Jaiku is my favorite service of the three, but I spend most of my time on Twitter primarily due to most of the media and the rest of my friends already on there. I think John Gruber and Scoble put it best when they said that, like many social or community sites, half the battle in this space is the community, not the features. Part of that community aspect is not just the users, but the third parties that get behind the service. Until I and many others find easy clients like Twitterrific for Jaiku (Juhu is decent but really not up to par) and strong SMS and IM support, I think Twitter might remain in the spotlight for some time, at least until Google does something significant with it.
2 years ago by davidchartier
I tried Twitter for a while, but found it incredibly annoying to have my phone filling up with SMS all the time that I had to keep deleting daily. Who needs one more pointless tech maintenance task? I like to keep my SMS for important messages only--I don't want my phone to beep just because Edna fed her cat. Jaiku got me hooked through its fantastic and unobtrusive mobile app, and automatic location presence updating. Most of the time my friends can tell what I'm up to without my ever having to check in. But if I'm bored on a bus I can drop in on the full conversation anytime. So I'm not leaving anytime soon. This "everyone gives up on Jaiku" sounds to me more like Americans give up on Jaiku, which I can understand more since apparently the mobile app isn't as convenient over there. (different phones, data plans, and such?) As for "all my friends are on platform X and will never move", that's a load of crap--all my friends were on Twitter, but they're all on Jaiku now.
2 years ago by spongefile
I found I use Jaiku more often then pownce since Jaiku load faster and and less clutter UI. and I jump from Jaiku from twitter because of very limited feature set of this micro blog.
2 years ago by siouxmoux