Jaiku is losing the fight for the hearts and minds of the Net against Twitter and Pownce.This is mainly due to the invite requirement and...
1 year, 8 months ago.
17 comments so far
the perception (I know it isn't the case) that Google is not doing anything with Jaiku but sitting on it.
Are there any signs that this will change soon?
BTW, I love Jaiku and I despise Twitter (ineffective and bad solution) and I am fighting against Pownce because Jaiku is more useful, functional and out of loyalty. But my opinion (while I am sure is shared here) is certainly in the Minority among the masses!
I think the invite thing is OK for now, it halts (but dosn't stop) the flood of spammers. But when the harddrives failed in the DB last time I was close to switching permanently to Twitter.
All good things come to those who wait. Jaiku is fine. Pownce and Twitter should be worried. Trust Google has a plan and will work out in the long term.
There are many reasons why it's currently invite only. "hearding the sheep" makes it easier to analyse and move a product forward easier. Besides you can read the Jaiku Blog to see what is happening, this has been mentioned before.
@ aleksip, In my opinion, the reason to win the hearts and minds of the net, is that the success of Social Sites is the community. While Jaiku has a wonderful community its expansion is currently limited.
@mandaj & adonisdemon, I am on all three too. I don't use them because neither of them offer the functionality of Jaiku.
@tedd: The current limitation is a planned one, the Jaiku guys are working with Google and familiarising with the Google ethos and practices. A larger community isn't necessarily a good one. Luckily Jaiku has a good community where as Twitter and Ponce are bare in atmosphere and functionality.
I do admit Twitter get's more public limelight, so what? How long will that last? Jaiku will win in the long term.
@viilee: Having contact with the community is a positive, but when moving a project forward sometimes things need to be done behind closed doors. Whilst the communication may have subsided slightly it is still there, which is in turn down to many other factors. There are plans, projects that need a greater attention. A community is a fragile and yet essential piece of Jaiku, figuring out how to move it forward and also keeping in touch with that community is nigh on impossible. Something has to give and it's usually the communication.
What the community needs to do is be just that, community, without the communication of the founder. Does Bill Gates talk to everyone on MSN? Could he even if he wanted to? The answer is no, and it's not he's choice either. Not trying to sound egotistical or putting down the user base, but there are more important things to think about on the long term than the communication with the community. Jaiku is a model which should work without the input of the dev team. The users need to realise there will be less communication and fewer frequent updates. That's just business. Nothing personal.
@viilee: I can see where you are pointing to. 37signals does look more like a hobby rather than a business model, far from ideal. The difference here is the guys at Jaiku have listened to the community in previously and they will continue to do so. It's just at this transitional period where there is a void. It's inevitable. Once it moves past this point I have faith the feedback from the community will be even more frequent and productive.
Jaiku is catered towards us and we should have the say in what we want from it.
Generally people are scared of change, it's a natural human instinct, I was the same switching from Myspace to Facebook. Now Myspace doesn't even register on the radar.
Indeed that is the hard the key phrase I believe this is what it means to win the heart and minds of the masses, the ability to create inner networks.
It's still too much of a blanket question though. If, for example, you provide a service that is merely a proof of concept to showcase technology that you hope to sell or license... Well then it doesn't much matter if you have a small loyal user set or a big inactive community. As long as you're attracting some good attention that will help attract customers or build your case for an acquisition.
Once Google releases Android for all of our cell phones, that has Jaiku baked into it, they wont have to worry about winning the hearts and minds of the net elite. Have patience and enjoy the ride.
17 comments so far
the perception (I know it isn't the case) that Google is not doing anything with Jaiku but sitting on it.
Are there any signs that this will change soon?
BTW, I love Jaiku and I despise Twitter (ineffective and bad solution) and I am fighting against Pownce because Jaiku is more useful, functional and out of loyalty. But my opinion (while I am sure is shared here) is certainly in the Minority among the masses!
1 year, 8 months ago by tedd
I think the invite thing is OK for now, it halts (but dosn't stop) the flood of spammers. But when the harddrives failed in the DB last time I was close to switching permanently to Twitter.
1 year, 8 months ago by Veidit
Why is it important to win the hearts and minds of the Net?
1 year, 8 months ago by aleksip
All good things come to those who wait. Jaiku is fine. Pownce and Twitter should be worried. Trust Google has a plan and will work out in the long term.
There are many reasons why it's currently invite only. "hearding the sheep" makes it easier to analyse and move a product forward easier. Besides you can read the Jaiku Blog to see what is happening, this has been mentioned before.
1 year, 8 months ago by adonisdemon
@mandaj: I'm on Twitter, but hardly use it, it's just fugly UI. Haven't even bothered with Ponce.
1 year, 8 months ago by adonisdemon
@ aleksip, In my opinion, the reason to win the hearts and minds of the net, is that the success of Social Sites is the community. While Jaiku has a wonderful community its expansion is currently limited.
@mandaj & adonisdemon, I am on all three too. I don't use them because neither of them offer the functionality of Jaiku.
1 year, 8 months ago by tedd
@tedd size could also weaken the community. These networks are different and it does make sense that people use them concurrently.
1 year, 8 months ago by aleksip
@tedd: The current limitation is a planned one, the Jaiku guys are working with Google and familiarising with the Google ethos and practices. A larger community isn't necessarily a good one. Luckily Jaiku has a good community where as Twitter and Ponce are bare in atmosphere and functionality. I do admit Twitter get's more public limelight, so what? How long will that last? Jaiku will win in the long term.
1 year, 8 months ago by adonisdemon
@villie makes a very valid point
1 year, 8 months ago by whatleydude
@viilee: Having contact with the community is a positive, but when moving a project forward sometimes things need to be done behind closed doors. Whilst the communication may have subsided slightly it is still there, which is in turn down to many other factors. There are plans, projects that need a greater attention. A community is a fragile and yet essential piece of Jaiku, figuring out how to move it forward and also keeping in touch with that community is nigh on impossible. Something has to give and it's usually the communication.
What the community needs to do is be just that, community, without the communication of the founder. Does Bill Gates talk to everyone on MSN? Could he even if he wanted to? The answer is no, and it's not he's choice either. Not trying to sound egotistical or putting down the user base, but there are more important things to think about on the long term than the communication with the community. Jaiku is a model which should work without the input of the dev team. The users need to realise there will be less communication and fewer frequent updates. That's just business. Nothing personal.
1 year, 8 months ago by adonisdemon
@viilee: I can see where you are pointing to. 37signals does look more like a hobby rather than a business model, far from ideal. The difference here is the guys at Jaiku have listened to the community in previously and they will continue to do so. It's just at this transitional period where there is a void. It's inevitable. Once it moves past this point I have faith the feedback from the community will be even more frequent and productive. Jaiku is catered towards us and we should have the say in what we want from it.
1 year, 8 months ago by adonisdemon
Generally people are scared of change, it's a natural human instinct, I was the same switching from Myspace to Facebook. Now Myspace doesn't even register on the radar.
Indeed that is the hard the key phrase I believe this is what it means to win the heart and minds of the masses, the ability to create inner networks.
1 year, 8 months ago by adonisdemon
my question is: Is it better to have a large community only halfway participating, or a smaller community using your service as a lifeline?
1 year, 8 months ago by rcadden
Depends on what your business model is...
1 year, 8 months ago by zacharye
@rcadden that I think, is the right question. I believe in the smaller communities. The masses don't have a heart.
1 year, 8 months ago by aleksip
It's still too much of a blanket question though. If, for example, you provide a service that is merely a proof of concept to showcase technology that you hope to sell or license... Well then it doesn't much matter if you have a small loyal user set or a big inactive community. As long as you're attracting some good attention that will help attract customers or build your case for an acquisition.
1 year, 8 months ago by zacharye
Once Google releases Android for all of our cell phones, that has Jaiku baked into it, they wont have to worry about winning the hearts and minds of the net elite. Have patience and enjoy the ride.
1 year, 8 months ago by ChristianBurns